DUST Search - Donating my BPO's to CCP

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Chunky Munkey wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Chunky Munkey wrote:

That isn't what I asked.
Would you defend CCP with the same arguments if, instead of BPOs, they were forcibly removing boosters instead?

It doesn't matter how I answer, you're fishing for a way to express your opinion rather than argument that may sway your opinion. That much was readily apparent when you used the words "forcibly removing".

Here's the facts: The only BPOs being removed are legacy items that aren't going to be available on the market either for Aurum or ISK because they simply won't exist anymore. 180mm Plates, for instance, are gone as of 1.7. There's no reason to have them anymore because all they'd do is offset the balance in the game when they're going through hoops to fix the vehicles that everyone bitched about (even though we've got more pressing issues, imo).

Trying to compare removal of BPO's for balance reasons over removing boosters isn't nearly the same argument. Fact of the matter is that they're refunding you the aurum you spent on it and the BPOs are being removed because the items they've based on don't exist anymore - clamoring for reform, starting forum wars and threadnaughts isn't going to change that. Further more, you signed the EULA the second you logged into your account in-game which allows them the right to change, modify or otherwise remove the content - even if you don't agree with it.

So would I defend CCP with the same arguments? **** yes I would and I would do it proudly because I support creative design. This isn't like The War Z (now known as Infestation: Survival Stories) in which they started banning people left and right because of negative feedback; they're going forward with their game and the only legitimate argument anyone has in this case is that they're taking away their silly virtual items which are weak-sauce compared to other options, further more they're taking them for a very good reason: Balance, which is exactly what the community has been bitching about.

There, answered your question, now you respond with more of your "but we had a contractual agreement" banter and I'll just ignore it because - like I said - you're not fishing for an argument your fishing for a way to drool out thoughts on entitlement.

Nice wall of text. You're defending the worthlessness of aurum. Of what value is this currency if there is no guarantee attatched to anything you purchase with it?
The reasonable course of action would be to offer equivalent BPOs for those that have been removed. Giving a refund for items that are now irreplaceable is hardly a fair exchange.

If you really mean it when you say you wouldn't mind them removing your boosters, then I can only conclude that you are a moron. The two biggest selling points of aurum were boosters & BPOs. If all you're using aurum for is Codewishes & Sinewardens, then CCP deserves your money.

Lmfao, a moron eh? Because I'm one of those logical people that is more interesting in a BPO's impact on the game rather than some silly aurum value? Get real brosef, let me educate you on something real quick.

Aurum is not worthless, no sir, quite the opposite in fact. Aurum is a very powerful agent in which CCP can get revenue and profit from their consumers on a free-to-play game but the issue is that no-one ever had a sit down with marketing and said that those items shouldn't have an in-game impact that you couldn't accomplish with ISK. Neo gear is great for that, as are the aurum variant weaponry and you haven't seen it in use I would suggest dropping the NPC corp and getting into a PC corp to see just how often they're used. I was killed three times but an aurum ASCR not an hour ago.

Even still, removing boosters should have been done a long time ago or they should have been revamped in some way; an ISK option, maybe even a booster that extends your cap so that you can catch up with some of the veterans. There's a thousand different options but again no-one told marketing any good ideas so people just bought Omega Boosters because they had liquid income and wanted an edge, of those I'm almost positive that no-one told Marketing the impact these things had and they only could see one thing: The fact that they sold.

Know what would be a good idea for aurum? Implementation of the skill spikes that were originally hinted at in Beta. Turning BPO's into permanent skins that still require an ISK cost - both on dropsuits and weapons; hell you could even make advanced/prototype BPOs proportionately more expensive that way.

Sorry, but anything that gives you an inherent edge in this game that isn't strictly temporary doesn't need to exist and it's entirely the reason it hasn't in Eve Online. In Eve Online, it's all vanity gear; clothing and the like. If you're seriously trying to convince me that we need to keep BPOs in this game because "it's what people spend Aurum on" you're even more naive than I originally led on or a terrible troll. Either way, it's a dead argument and I take great pleasure in reminding you of the fact there's nothing you can do about it - those FOUR BPOs are gettin' nyxxed mate.

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xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 42	Posted - 2013.11.23 19:40:00 - [1] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: KGB Sleep wrote: The real bane is the PC ISK farming but you don't say ** about that ruining the econ. BPO ruining econ, laughable compared to PC shenanigans. And that is what I say to everyone that says the BPOs are the problem. Mention that and everyone turns white and becomes mute. hmmm lets see... I can make 60, mil isk owning a district and locking it or just fighting my buddies who wont take it, or I can make a few million isk with a bpo and HOURS AND HOURS of play.... yeah remove bpo's before they break this game, its running so smoothly all but for those darn game breaking bpo's SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!**
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 42	Posted - 2013.11.23 19:43:00 - [2] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: KGB Sleep wrote: The real bane is the PC ISK farming but you don't say ** about that ruining the econ. BPO ruining econ, laughable compared to PC shenanigans. And that is what I say to everyone that says the BPOs are the problem. Mention that and everyone turns white and becomes mute. hmmm lets see... I can make 60, mil isk owning a district and locking it or just fighting my buddies who wont take it, or I can make a few million isk with a bpo and HOURS AND HOURS of play.... yeah remove bpo's before they break this game, its running so smoothly all but for those darn game breaking bpo's So join a PC corp. Not like the option isn't available to you. Hell, you don't even have to pay real money. could my point have flown any further over your head? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!**
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 86	Posted - 2013.11.24 01:47:00 - [3] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: That isn't what I asked. Would you defend CCP with the same arguments if, instead of BPOs, they were forcibly removing boosters instead? It doesn't matter how I answer, you're fishing for a way to express your opinion rather than argument that may sway your opinion. That much was readily apparent when you used the words "forcibly removing". Here's the facts: The only BPOs being removed are legacy items that aren't going to be available on the market either for Aurum or ISK because they simply won't exist anymore. 180mm Plates, for instance, are gone as of 1.7. There's no reason to have them anymore because all they'd do is offset the balance in the game when they're going through hoops to fix the vehicles that everyone bitched about (even though we've got more pressing issues, imo). Trying to compare removal of BPO's for balance reasons over removing boosters isn't nearly the same argument. Fact of the matter is that they're refunding you the aurum you spent on it and the BPOs are being removed because the items they've based on don't exist anymore - clamoring for reform, starting forum wars and threadnaughts isn't going to change that. Further more, you signed the EULA the second you logged into your account in-game which allows them the right to change, modify or otherwise remove the content - even if you don't agree with it. So would I defend CCP with the same arguments? ** yes I would and I would do it proudly because I support creative design. This isn't like The War Z (now known as Infestation: Survival Stories) in which they started banning people left and right because of negative feedback; they're going forward with their game and the only legitimate argument anyone has in this case is that they're taking away their silly virtual items which are weak-sauce compared to other options, further more they're taking them for a very good reason: Balance, which is exactly what the community has been bitching about. There, answered your question, now you respond with more of your "but we had a contractual agreement" banter and I'll just ignore it because - like I said - you're not fishing for an argument your fishing for a way to drool out thoughts on entitlement. Nice wall of text. You're defending the worthlessness of aurum. Of what value is this currency if there is no guarantee attatched to anything you purchase with it? The reasonable course of action would be to offer equivalent BPOs for those that have been removed. Giving a refund for items that are now irreplaceable is hardly a fair exchange. If you really mean it when you say you wouldn't mind them removing your boosters, then I can only conclude that you are a moron. The two biggest selling points of aurum were boosters & BPOs. If all you're using aurum for is Codewishes & Sinewardens, then CCP deserves your money. Lmfao, a moron eh? Because I'm one of those logical people that is more interesting in a BPO's impact on the game rather than some silly aurum value? Get real brosef, let me educate you on something real quick. Aurum is not worthless, no sir, quite the opposite in fact. Aurum is a very powerful agent in which CCP can get revenue and profit from their consumers on a free-to-play game but the issue is that no-one ever had a sit down with marketing and said that those items shouldn't have an in-game impact that you couldn't accomplish with ISK. Neo gear is great for that, as are the aurum variant weaponry and you haven't seen it in use I would suggest dropping the NPC corp and getting into a PC corp to see just how often they're used. I was killed three times but an aurum ASCR not an hour ago. Even still, removing boosters should have been done a long time ago or they should have been revamped in some way; an ISK option, maybe even a booster that extends your cap so that you can catch up with some of the veterans. There's a thousand different options but again no-one told marketing any good ideas so people just bought Omega Boosters because they had liquid income and wanted an edge, of those I'm almost positive that no-one told Marketing the impact these things had and they only could see one thing: The fact that they sold. Know what would be a good idea for aurum? Implementation of the skill spikes that were originally hinted at in Beta. Turning BPO's into permanent skins that still require an ISK cost - both on dropsuits and weapons; hell you could even make advanced/prototype BPOs proportionately more expensive that way. Sorry, but anything that gives you an inherent edge in this game that isn't strictly temporary doesn't need to exist and it's entirely the reason it hasn't in Eve Online. In Eve Online, it's all vanity gear; clothing and the like. If you're seriously trying to convince me that we need to keep BPOs in this game because "it's what people spend Aurum on" you're even more naive than I originally led on or a terrible troll. Either way, it's a dead argument and I take great pleasure in reminding you of the fact there's nothing you can do about it - those FOUR BPOs are gettin' nyxxed mate. these paragraphs are irrefutable proof of your inability to understand complex subject matter, let alone this game. please explain with math how bpo's ruin the game. please explain to me how aur is worth any more than isk if all aur items are consumable with isk equivalents. even eve has a dust like bpo... its called a rookieship... modules too. also, nobody buys aur in eve.... oh... and, isn't 20 mil sp an internet edge over a 1 mil sp merc..... hmmmmmmm .......hmmmmmm HMMMMMMMMM HMMMMMMMMMMMM SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!**